Tuesday, January 6, 2015

The Married Man question of MGTOW?

In a recent article at A Voice for Men, the author discusses the varying definitions of MGTOW and whether any borderlines should be drawn. While I agree with much of he's saying philosophically, I believe that when it comes to the issue of "Married Men", this is one border-line that must be maintained, for several reasons.

Note: I am not one of the "elders" of MGTOW and so this is simply my own personal response. Some (if not all) of these points will already have been made by others and so I am just adding my weight to the question.

Although there is a persistent danger in restricting MGTOW, particularly what "outlook" one should have or what actions one must take to "prove" their bona fides as a true MGTOW--there is a reason why the "marriage" issue is more than just a "sub-plot" as the author puts it.

1. The current dispensation (or age). Up until the last 100 years or so, most marriages operated under the Pater familias principle, and in that system, it was perfectly possible for for married men to be MGTOW in a broader sense. e.g. the Freemasons, the Mafia and other male societies operated with ease. Women (wives) knew their place more or less. Given that we all partake in an age (whether we wish it or not), even the most traditional wives are influenced by the perception of what a marriage/relationship should (or could) be like. {see my previous post for an interesting thought experiment}

2. Furthermore, all officially sanctioned unions place men in a compromised position and a compromised man cannot be MGTOW. This is not an attack on married men's ethics, morals, commitment, masculinity etc... this is simply a consideration of the Law of the Land... MGTOW is the path to free yourself from some of these laws (and in doing so, help future laws and conditions become fairer to Men).

3. MGTOW is a situational choice; not a mindset or philosophy.  It enables the Male to become the apex-operator or apex-predator if he wishes to be so.  This is a level of power that can't be shared by one with certain responsibilities. A married man does have certain ethical responsibilities and so it would unfair to blurr these lines. To use a mafia analogy, a married man can be an associate but not a "made man".

4. A man freed from the sacred union of marriage (or serious relationships) has now appropriated a socially ostracized designation. In past ages, the Priesthood was a good compromise in that it protected the male from this stigmatization... today there is no freedom, no respite, no refuge. Your friends, your family and strangers alike will consider you deficient. In short: THIS A SERIOUS BURDEN (A CROSS IF YOU WILL) THAT MUST BE SHARED.

5.  Traditionalism does not equal Marriage. Traditionalism references an authentic way of life and community, but all through history, there have been men (for a variety of reasons) who chose not to marry. Again, we could look at the Priesthoods, or the Knights Templar for an example. I myself am a traditionalist and would happily welcome a more traditional society... but since MGTOW is largely the reaction to a non-traditionalist society, a happily married man in MGTOW makes little rational sense.

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In conclusion, these are some basic considerations put forward why a "line" may need to be drawn.  It is also not an attack on marriage--as I suspect many MGTOWs may one day envision themselves getting married. It is simply a necessity to maintain the power (or potential power) that is held by the MGTOW practitioner-- which is unfortunately diluted and compromised by extending the "label" to married men.

If that line is not drawn... then it is debatable whether MGTOW even exists.

2 comments:

  1. Well congratulations starting up your own blog. It definitely helps to have a place to post views and comments without some trigger happy mod deleting everything because you don't agree with his agenda. It also helps to sort ideas out and write about them so that they can be applied in real life.

    Speaking of which I did take a look at that article. I'm familiar with Fidelbogen and generally agree with him but he can be a little sketchy. It's not always easy to tell where he is coming from and this is one of them, at least for me anyway.

    I think it is understood that nobody owns MGTOW. Where there is a movement of men going their own way it isn't an organized one under some central leadership. It's just an idea coupled with an individuals decision to unplug from a society hostile to all men. There are no clubs to join, just up and do it on your own.

    I agree with him on that but I don't know of anyone forming MGTOW clubs.

    The last part I only partially agree with him. Yes a man, any man can say he is whatever he wants to say he is. Even a slave can arbitrarily say he is a free man. Free to go anywhere on the plantation his master says he can.

    Sure, have at it but is he really free?

    I would counter that it is that fear of freedom the MRAs are really afraid of. They want to be able say they are MGTOW without ever actually leaving the marriage plantation. In truth many of them don't know what to do when they are forced off of it in the form of No-Fault Divorce. They will turn around and sign up for the next Marriage 2.0 contract they can find and hope they don't get booted again.

    It's sad but hey if he wants to imply that is MGTOW well good luck with that.

    And good luck with your blog, I'll link it and if you go ghost after a while don't worry. That's just a natural evolution in MGTOW for many.









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  2. Thanks for the extensive reply and I seem to be in agreement with all that you have said--particularly your thoughts on the "fear of freedom".

    Having lived a MGTOW existence (more or less) for the last 6 years--I've found a sub-conscious resentment exists in others who are weary of the freedom one truly has (despite the other drawbacks)--and they will seek to drag you back in to the system.

    As for the blog; it's largely experimental but what prompted me to begin, was essentially the implied disregard and derision of the MGTOW way--with some within even referring to us as Zetas.

    I believe that he who can resist a system is potentially master of it--and so MGTOWs should not be feeling any shame for their present pathways.

    Anyway, thanks again for your blog which provided me with a clear perspective on the manosphere and other relevant issues.

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